October 2nd, 2024

Washington Post article referencing the Murry Gunty matter

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  • A friend emailed with a pointer to an article in the Washington Post by Terence O’Hara that includes the line:

    “If Murry Gunty didn’t exist, we’d have to invent him,” one liberal blogger, Frank Paynter, wrote.

    Consider the nano-Warhol juice this sucks out of my allotment. Every blogger will be famous for 15 nano-seconds and this article uses up at least one.

    The article offers a lot of room for quibbling. Mark Pincus’ blog post about Mr. Gunty was pretty straight forward. The fall-out when SixApart tried to influence Mark to anonymize Gunty was worth a few comments. But all in all, there were very few people engaged in the discussion, and O’Hara’s assertion that “several” bloggers started their own discussion strings about the long ago incident is off center. A few bloggers (as many as four or five, hardly a ground swell) remarked on SixApart’s efforts to censor Pincus, but the long ago incident stands by itself, well covered on the net and in the press during the nineties and not worth re-hashing except in the context of true or false.

    O’Hara suggests that “dozens of posters” were attracted to the matter. I hope he can forgive the quibble that there is in web publishing a distinction between a “commenter” and a “poster.” A poster originates a discussion. A commenter engages in a discussion of a post. These little things matter. They help us establish a common ground. There were by my recollection probably less than a half dozen posters, originating material in their blogs that related to Murry Gunty’s poor choices as a student and the attempt to blot out memory of these misdeeds by censoring Mark Pinkus. I would be surprised if as many as twenty-four people offered comments — twenty-four being the number necessary to lend accuracy to O’Hara’s use of the word “dozens.” I’m sure that between January and August at least twenty-four comments relevant to those few blog posts were made, but many were made by the same person.

    If anything about the article annoys me, it is not so much the cluelessness regarding web publishing contextual matters, terms of art and so forth, but rather O’Hara’s selection of my header as the pull quote from my post. I thought my post was carefully wrought. I tried to avoid inflammatory rhetoric, and qualified what I wrote. Over the last few months I have moderated and discarded a couple of comments that came my way because I couldn’t verify their substance and they seemed unfair to Mr. Gunty. The fact that I used an attention grabbing headline has come back to bite me. It’s all that O’Hara found interesting in my blog post!

    O’Hara’s gratuitous observation that Pincus’ blog post had a higher Google rank than Gunty’s corporate bio is also worth a quibble. The static nature of Milestone Capital’s corporate flackery will obviously pull fewer readers than dynamic content in a well read blog. The Post article is rife with that kind of nonsense, the stuff that obscures the perfectly valid point that attempting to squelch free speech, freedom of expression and freedom of the press as it might apply in a web publishing context is a foolish thing to do and perhaps Mr. Gunty would have been better off practicing a little detachment.

    And, as Scott Johnson said then,

    I can understand that Murry Gunty doesn’t want this information to show up in Google — and a blog does that well — but he did cheat. Now you can argue that everyone deserves a second chance but this wasn’t cheating by a Harvard undergrad. It was cheating by someone at Harvard Business School (HBS). Given all the problems with ethics in corporate america and the prevalence of HBS grads in corporate management personally I think calling someone out with a history of cheating and making them visible in Google is a fine thing.

    August 3rd, 2024


    There is so much high level bullshit to rail against one scarcely knows where to start. When was the last time a country made a commitment and kept it past the next general election? Screw Israel and screw the Hezbollah. Screw Lebanon, screw Iraq, screw Saudi Arabia, screw Iran, screw North Korea, screw the nasty Bush oligarchy and their entire criminal conspiracy. Screw the ridiculously deluded millions of people who allow their metaphysics to cloud their reason, their religion to subvert their humanity, their own best interests to be dominated by charismatic and sexual pitches from polished marketing propagandists of all persuasions.

    Screw public relations. Screw marketing. Screw journalism and screw so called higher education, a window backwards into a medieval world so messed up that they still parade around in robes and issue credentials for thoughtfulness. Screw philosophy and philosophers of every type. Screw art and artists. Screw everyone whose pursuit makes them so special that the rest of us don’t get what they’re talking about. Screw everyone who doesn’t get what everyone else is talking about. Screw poets… strike that, the sick bastards will find some way to enjoy it and use it against you. Screw sexual politicians and screw nasty big-ass geeks who don’t know identity politics from authentication systems. Screw open source and all the open source-iacs. Screw the proprietary nonsense too. Screw everyone who doesn’t get that Sonny Bono gave us all a gift when he secured the mouse franchise for another hundred and fifty years. Screw Sonny Bono. Screw his widow too. Screw every rich and famous jerk who has a skiing accident. Screw anyone dumb enough to be both a Democrat and a flyer in light aircraft. Screw the assassins, the Mossad, the CIA, the RSVP and the rest of those degenerate assholes.

    That’s not the point. Those are some of the easy targets. The hard stuff is out there in Murry Gunty land, where there are children who will Google their dad someday and be not proud of him. The hard stuff is looking at Halley Suitt and telling her to back up, turn around, get straight and get real… look at her peers and find a better role model than Jack Welch. Telling her to write well or give it up for a while. Telling her that the CEO schtick is not that cool, that Bud’s Filling Station and Body Shop has just as big a payroll as she does, a lot heavier capitalization, and Bud doesn’t mess with the CEO shit even though he does great fender work. Telling her for god’s sake just go to North Beach and eat Italian. Don’t tart it up with cutesy-wootsy little cable car Tony Bennett bullshit.

    How many wikipedia links between Jack Welch and decimation as a practice of the ancient Roman Legions?

    August 2nd, 2024

    If Murry Gunty didn’t exist we’d have to invent him

    I feel sorry for Mrs. Gunty, the former Lisa Hope Shapiro. She may or may not have had a clear insight regarding the shadow on the character of her significant other, Murry Gunty, when they married. The two had certainly been doing well in the world of finance, but Murry Gunty has emerged this week as a symbol in the battle for free speech, and whether or not he — Murry Gunty — was guilty of grave ethical violations as a Harvard Business School grad student where he was accused of rigging the influential Finance Club’s election in his own favor, he, or someone close to him seems to have made an error in judgment by asking TypePad to influence blogger Marc Pincus to cloud Murry Gunty’s identity by using only his first name in a recent blog post.

    In the comments to Pincus’ original post mentioning Gunty, one Jim Delingco avers,

    Murry Gunty runs a fund in Washington DC - Milestone Capital. But suffice it to say that his ethics/morals/etc. have contributed to a whole host of problems for him and that company. People don’t fundamentally change. He was a liar and a cheat at HBS, and he’s continued the same pattern at Milestone. He raised $88M w/ the help of some big DC banker Pincus, then bought a tile compnay that did something like 10x its original investment…but he pulled BS moves and lied his way thought the entire thing…and the investors apparently finally got a taste of his MO. Since then the fund has totally blown up. I spoke with an ibanker at CSFB about that tile deal. They hate him and say that he pissed off the seller so much that it damaged the bank’s reputation.

    While this is consistent with information that is currently posted on Wikipedia about Murry Gunty, it is also hearsay and potentially damaging to Murry Gunty’s reputation, whether or not it is true. Who is Jim Delingco? He only has a single Google reference today, and that is a reference to his comment on Pincus’ blog. Can we trust his comment? His comment would have little weight and his opinions regarding Murry Gunty would not have seen the light of day if TypePad had not, as Pincus charges, attempted a heavy-handed censorship of Pincus’ blog post. (In fairness to Six Apart, they managed a quick about face on their original attempt to censor Pincus, but not in time to stop the snowball of Murry Gunty criticism from growing).

    Jason Lee Miller examines this further at WebProNews. He says,

    If this were a court of law (I’m not a lawyer), and if Mr. Gunty wished to sue you for defamation, or just because he didn’t like what you wrote, his case would get nowhere because of the freedom of the press guaranteed by the Constitution. If it’s true, then it’s fair game.

    The part he leaves out is that anybody can sue anybody for anything anytime, and the nuisance value often trumps truth and righteousness. I would hate to have a bigtime investment banker like Murry Gunty gunning for me. Scott Johnson, “Feedster founder and Ookles-promiser,” says,

    I can understand that Murry Gunty doesn’t want this infromation to show up in Google — and a blog does that well — but he did cheat. Now you can argue that everyone deserves a second chance but this wasn’t cheating by a Harvard undergrad. It was cheating by someone at Harvard Business School (HBS). Given all the problems with ethics in corporate america and the prevalence of HBS grads in corporate management personally I think calling someone out with a history of cheating and making them visible in Google is a fine thing.

    I wonder what the back story is here? When did Murry Gunty become aware of Pincus’ posting? Who attempted to influence SixApart on his behalf, and how and why did they do that? Was Murry Gunty himself foolish enough to think that he could push the rope of freedom of expression in a direction that would benefit him? Will the snowball of Murry Gunty criticism continue to grow and will solid facts be added, or will we continue to re-work the basic material relating to a really sad situation early in Murry Gunty’s professional training?

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