Comments on: Impeachment - Article Eleven http://listics.com/200806214129 Frank Paynter's Voice and Vision... Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:46:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Frank Paynter http://listics.com/200806214129#comment-55690 Frank Paynter Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:46:57 +0000 http://listics.com/?p=4129#comment-55690 Jon, I'm more optimistic, though measuredly so. I think that US domestic and foreign policy initiatives will be more progressive under Obama, but I have no illusions about the limitations on change that will he will encounter. Take Israel, please.... Still, those limitations or boundaries are more or less elastic, and I think Obama will seek to change them in a way that is "good," as opposed to the current directions which are clearly "evil." Jon, I’m more optimistic, though measuredly so. I think that US domestic and foreign policy initiatives will be more progressive under Obama, but I have no illusions about the limitations on change that will he will encounter. Take Israel, please…. Still, those limitations or boundaries are more or less elastic, and I think Obama will seek to change them in a way that is “good,” as opposed to the current directions which are clearly “evil.”

]]> By: JH http://listics.com/200806214129#comment-55684 JH Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:17:01 +0000 http://listics.com/?p=4129#comment-55684 The beltway and its corporate funders are a closed loop. Obama's stance re: the FISA amendment makes things pretty clear. I doubt there's much real change coming down the pike for the next four or eight or twelve or .... years (except for the kinds we don't really want to see and / or feel). The beltway and its corporate funders are a closed loop. Obama’s stance re: the FISA amendment makes things pretty clear.

I doubt there’s much real change coming down the pike for the next four or eight or twelve or …. years (except for the kinds we don’t really want to see and / or feel).

]]> By: Michael http://listics.com/200806214129#comment-55681 Michael Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:00:11 +0000 http://listics.com/?p=4129#comment-55681 While it's comforting that the new FISA bill doesn't extend immunity to Bush, it certainly makes any discovery of the extent of Bush's malfeasance in this matter impossible. So its net effect is, in fact, the extension of effective immunity to Bush. I'm sure Obama has sound strategic reasons for supporting it. I do question whether those reasons will add up to benefit for anyone but Barack Obama. The idea was change, not more closed-door sessions ignoring the will of the American people. While it’s comforting that the new FISA bill doesn’t extend immunity to Bush, it certainly makes any discovery of the extent of Bush’s malfeasance in this matter impossible. So its net effect is, in fact, the extension of effective immunity to Bush.

I’m sure Obama has sound strategic reasons for supporting it. I do question whether those reasons will add up to benefit for anyone but Barack Obama. The idea was change, not more closed-door sessions ignoring the will of the American people.

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