Comments on: Child Abuse in Texas http://listics.com/200712073784 Frank Paynter's Voice and Vision... Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:16:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Ronni Bennett http://listics.com/200712073784#comment-51531 Ronni Bennett Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:30:14 +0000 http://listics.com/200712073784#comment-51531 People of who put dogma above facts cannot be convinced otherwise and there is no point in trying because there is no argument against faith, however freakish or misguided. Two things come to mind: first, it's about who we elect - in this case, far more important locally than nationally. Secondly, we must restore the separation of church and state. Mitt Romney, in his speech last Thursday, asserted that 1. "Freedom requires religion" and 2. "Americans acknowledge that liberty is a gift of God." 1. No, it doesn't; and 2. *I* don't acknowledge that. Men created the Constitution that gives us our liberties (such as they are these days), not god. But in Mitt Romney's world and that of many religionists, as a non-believer I am not a true or patriotic American. I'm a bit more tolerant of them: I don't care what god people worship as long as they keep it in their homes and places of worship, and out of government and out of the schools. People of who put dogma above facts cannot be convinced otherwise and there is no point in trying because there is no argument against faith, however freakish or misguided.

Two things come to mind: first, it’s about who we elect - in this case, far more important locally than nationally.

Secondly, we must restore the separation of church and state. Mitt Romney, in his speech last Thursday, asserted that 1. “Freedom requires religion” and 2. “Americans acknowledge that liberty is a gift of God.”

1. No, it doesn’t; and

2. *I* don’t acknowledge that. Men created the Constitution that gives us our liberties (such as they are these days), not god. But in Mitt Romney’s world and that of many religionists, as a non-believer I am not a true or patriotic American.

I’m a bit more tolerant of them: I don’t care what god people worship as long as they keep it in their homes and places of worship, and out of government and out of the schools.

]]> By: Winston http://listics.com/200712073784#comment-51528 Winston Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:46:48 +0000 http://listics.com/200712073784#comment-51528 My morning rounds took me to Rain's place where she has an interesting discussion of religion in politics as it relates to candidates and upcoming election: http://rainydaythought.blogspot.com/2007/12/its-about-faith-but-in-what.html My morning rounds took me to Rain’s place where she has an interesting discussion of religion in politics as it relates to candidates and upcoming election:

http://rainydaythought.blogspot.com/2007/12/its-about-faith-but-in-what.html

]]> By: Winston http://listics.com/200712073784#comment-51527 Winston Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:25:18 +0000 http://listics.com/200712073784#comment-51527 It is mind boggling that people in the civilized part of the world still reject simple proven facts and history here in the 21st century. I am surrounded by such simpletons here in Nashville, "the buckle of the bible belt". I actually have some relatives in Texas, one with school age children, and I hurt for them because they are so fucking dense. They look down their noses at me because I don't participate in their born again christianity and bow daily to the current savior on earth, god's chosen ambassador, GWB. Yes, there are fools that still actually believe that, and I know of no way to reach them. Apparently Texas is a ship of fools, though I also know a few good folks there. Put political/religious nuts in charge of designing a school curriculum and this is what you get. And we wonder why our kids and our educational systems are not faring as well as other countries... It is mind boggling that people in the civilized part of the world still reject simple proven facts and history here in the 21st century. I am surrounded by such simpletons here in Nashville, “the buckle of the bible belt”. I actually have some relatives in Texas, one with school age children, and I hurt for them because they are so fucking dense. They look down their noses at me because I don’t participate in their born again christianity and bow daily to the current savior on earth, god’s chosen ambassador, GWB. Yes, there are fools that still actually believe that, and I know of no way to reach them. Apparently Texas is a ship of fools, though I also know a few good folks there.

Put political/religious nuts in charge of designing a school curriculum and this is what you get. And we wonder why our kids and our educational systems are not faring as well as other countries…

]]> By: tamarika http://listics.com/200712073784#comment-51526 tamarika Sat, 08 Dec 2007 10:41:42 +0000 http://listics.com/200712073784#comment-51526 Yes! We must never tire from that. Keep focused on shining our own lights, giving our monies, going door to door to campaign if we have to - just get *them* out of there! Definitely child abuse. GOP = abuse - period. Yes! We must never tire from that. Keep focused on shining our own lights, giving our monies, going door to door to campaign if we have to - just get *them* out of there!

Definitely child abuse. GOP = abuse - period.

]]> By: Doug Alder http://listics.com/200712073784#comment-51521 Doug Alder Sat, 08 Dec 2007 07:03:06 +0000 http://listics.com/200712073784#comment-51521 <blockquote>How can we exclude people who believe the end times are upon us from public policy positions? How can we get their fingers off the triggers?</blockquote> First get the GOP out of power at every level of government.

How can we exclude people who believe the end times are upon us from public policy positions? How can we get their fingers off the triggers?

First get the GOP out of power at every level of government.

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