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		<title>By: jeneane</title>
		<link>http://listics.com/200704261047/comment-page-1#comment-30029</link>
		<dc:creator>jeneane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 03:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BEACH BAGS are on SALE????!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Zo</title>
		<link>http://listics.com/200704261047/comment-page-1#comment-29927</link>
		<dc:creator>Zo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 03:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But Kathy had a sound personal reason for her obdurate behavior. &quot;   

Half a mo&#039; ...have we an oxymoron on our hands?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But Kathy had a sound personal reason for her obdurate behavior. &#8221;   </p>
<p>Half a mo&#8217; &#8230;have we an oxymoron on our hands?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Paynter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Paynter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken, here is a good post that is just a good post, one blogger&#039;s thoughts on her own feminism

&lt;a href=&quot;http://tamarika.typepad.com/mined_nuggets/2007/04/meet_me_in_the_.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Meet me in the middle&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken, here is a good post that is just a good post, one blogger&#8217;s thoughts on her own feminism</p>
<p><a href="http://tamarika.typepad.com/mined_nuggets/2007/04/meet_me_in_the_.html" rel="nofollow">Meet me in the middle</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ken Camp</title>
		<link>http://listics.com/200704261047/comment-page-1#comment-28167</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Camp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It disturbs me more than just a little that my decision to withdraw from the mars/venus, good/bad, black/white conversations around this are seen as not caring. The truth is that I care, but don&#039;t care to hear the crap so often spouted in the name of goodness, badness, maleness, femaleness. etc. I&#039;m an intolerant bastard and have disengaged from many sources of frustration.

On my employment application, in the field titled Race, I wrote HUMAN. Beyond that, it&#039;s all bullshit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It disturbs me more than just a little that my decision to withdraw from the mars/venus, good/bad, black/white conversations around this are seen as not caring. The truth is that I care, but don&#8217;t care to hear the crap so often spouted in the name of goodness, badness, maleness, femaleness. etc. I&#8217;m an intolerant bastard and have disengaged from many sources of frustration.</p>
<p>On my employment application, in the field titled Race, I wrote HUMAN. Beyond that, it&#8217;s all bullshit.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Paynter</title>
		<link>http://listics.com/200704261047/comment-page-1#comment-28142</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Paynter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah.  I found it in my Akismet spam bucket after I got your heads-up.  I gave it a get out of jail free card and now it is posted above.  Sorry.  I have a moderation queue where first time comments land (and that includes comments from people who may have commented before but who change an attribute, like name or email address), and I have the Akismet spam bucket which collects hundreds of things every  day.    Mostly I don&#039;t go through that list looking for mistakes, but I probably should.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah.  I found it in my Akismet spam bucket after I got your heads-up.  I gave it a get out of jail free card and now it is posted above.  Sorry.  I have a moderation queue where first time comments land (and that includes comments from people who may have commented before but who change an attribute, like name or email address), and I have the Akismet spam bucket which collects hundreds of things every  day.    Mostly I don&#8217;t go through that list looking for mistakes, but I probably should.</p>
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		<title>By: madame l.</title>
		<link>http://listics.com/200704261047/comment-page-1#comment-28130</link>
		<dc:creator>madame l.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>posted my comment &lt;a href=&quot;http://lavachequilit.typepad.com/la_vache_qui_lit/2007/04/i_can_hardly_bl.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&#160; tried to post it here but it may have had too many links.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>posted my comment <a href="http://lavachequilit.typepad.com/la_vache_qui_lit/2007/04/i_can_hardly_bl.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.&nbsp; tried to post it here but it may have had too many links.</p>
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		<title>By: Tree Shapiro</title>
		<link>http://listics.com/200704261047/comment-page-1#comment-28062</link>
		<dc:creator>Tree Shapiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i love those glass walls.  some of those broads at blogher are &lt;i&gt;Niiiii,ceh&lt;/i&gt;!!!  beats those elder-handicapable-gamblers down at the penny slots! TFFS. i have to agree with you, elayne, i&#039;m all for women-only spaces.  call me a feminist.  &lt;i&gt;S-nap!&lt;/i&gt;  craps game at my casa, this weekend.  just got the table re-felted.  pool&#039;s open and smokin&#039;, my friends. marky mark confirmed.  ben affleck, a definite maybe.  all welcome. we like diversity in the gambling world.  thus says dostoievsky and shit.  (two semesters at hampshire college;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i love those glass walls.  some of those broads at blogher are <i>Niiiii,ceh</i>!!!  beats those elder-handicapable-gamblers down at the penny slots! TFFS. i have to agree with you, elayne, i&#8217;m all for women-only spaces.  call me a feminist.  <i>S-nap!</i>  craps game at my casa, this weekend.  just got the table re-felted.  pool&#8217;s open and smokin&#8217;, my friends. marky mark confirmed.  ben affleck, a definite maybe.  all welcome. we like diversity in the gambling world.  thus says dostoievsky and shit.  (two semesters at hampshire college;)</p>
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		<title>By: tish grier</title>
		<link>http://listics.com/200704261047/comment-page-1#comment-28003</link>
		<dc:creator>tish grier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Frank...and thank you for an eloquent post on an extremely delicate and diffcult to talk about topic.  

You&#039;re not the only one who doesn&#039;t feel all that welcome at BlogHer.  Sure, I comment there from time to time, but I&#039;m not a lock-step feminist (one male friend once described me as a &quot;great broad.&quot;)  and not a mommy, so I often question whether or not I fit into their scheme of things.  From a strictly marketing perspective-- I don&#039;t.  It concerns me on the one hand--on the other hand I just think maybe it&#039;s time for some of us to maybe do things a bit differently...

As for the Sierra thing....the more I look at it, the more see some glaring problems with how it all went down.  A p/r coup at the expense of others?  A way of asserting a Silicon Valley dominance over this &#039;sphere?  I don&#039;t know, and can&#039;t say for sure, but I&#039;m raising my eyebrow again and for different reasons these days....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Frank&#8230;and thank you for an eloquent post on an extremely delicate and diffcult to talk about topic.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;re not the only one who doesn&#8217;t feel all that welcome at BlogHer.  Sure, I comment there from time to time, but I&#8217;m not a lock-step feminist (one male friend once described me as a &#8220;great broad.&#8221;)  and not a mommy, so I often question whether or not I fit into their scheme of things.  From a strictly marketing perspective&#8211; I don&#8217;t.  It concerns me on the one hand&#8211;on the other hand I just think maybe it&#8217;s time for some of us to maybe do things a bit differently&#8230;</p>
<p>As for the Sierra thing&#8230;.the more I look at it, the more see some glaring problems with how it all went down.  A p/r coup at the expense of others?  A way of asserting a Silicon Valley dominance over this &#8217;sphere?  I don&#8217;t know, and can&#8217;t say for sure, but I&#8217;m raising my eyebrow again and for different reasons these days&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Zo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 07:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, you really think, after all the evidence to the au contraire, that one single woman is going to get it just on account of your say so? Honey, I got my original Mickey Mouse Cl --  er, wait, wrong membership.

No. They going to get it &#039;cause I say so. (Yeah, right.)

And in closing, I would like to say: Very fine tune, but I have never watched a video before that made me so want to shut my eyes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, you really think, after all the evidence to the au contraire, that one single woman is going to get it just on account of your say so? Honey, I got my original Mickey Mouse Cl &#8212;  er, wait, wrong membership.</p>
<p>No. They going to get it &#8217;cause I say so. (Yeah, right.)</p>
<p>And in closing, I would like to say: Very fine tune, but I have never watched a video before that made me so want to shut my eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: madame l.</title>
		<link>http://listics.com/200704261047/comment-page-1#comment-27832</link>
		<dc:creator>madame l.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 05:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can hardly blame Eliza Camahort for coming to clarify BlogHer&#039;s community guidelines here.  As the co-founder and president, events and marketing director at BlogHer, she would be remiss if she didn&#039;t.  There&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogherads.com/for-advertisers&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;money&lt;/a&gt; at stake here, &lt;em&gt;Ladies&lt;/em&gt;.

&lt;em&gt;BlogHer Parenting Network readers spend money online.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogher.org/node/5224&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Perhaps most significantly:&lt;/a&gt;
# 53% of BlogHer Parenting Network readers have their own blogs with which to publish and amplify their recommendations and referrals.&lt;/em&gt;

Can you say sharecroppers?

As for the hoodwinked, &lt;em&gt;Elayne&lt;/em&gt;, I&#039;m glad you enjoy women-only spaces.  Someone&#039;s just made &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogher.org/node/18698&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fascinating post on beach bags&lt;/a&gt; at BlogHer.  I think they&#039;re on sale!

And if someone were to dig deeply into the K.Sierra situation they might find that it&#039;s a whole lot more complicated than anyone thought.  They might find out that a bunch of very important (self described) people were pissed off about stuff being written about them and got K. all worked up into a huge fear state so she would act as their mouthpiece.  Maybe.  That&#039;s one possible scenario.  But we&#039;ll probably never know, will we? 

I do know that every time I left an on-topic comment on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.misbehaving.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;misbehaving.net&lt;/a&gt; (oh, &lt;em&gt;Gosh!&lt;/em&gt;, the misbehaving women site seems to be Gornish helfn...) it was deemed inappropriate by the forces that be and erased.  Open forum &lt;em&gt;my asslift&lt;/em&gt;.  Women-only spaces, in my experience, means &lt;em&gt;certain kind of women. Only.&lt;/em&gt;  Period. Meta-pause.  

&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ain%27t_I_A_Woman&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Ain&#039;t I a woman?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can hardly blame Eliza Camahort for coming to clarify BlogHer&#8217;s community guidelines here.  As the co-founder and president, events and marketing director at BlogHer, she would be remiss if she didn&#8217;t.  There&#8217;s <a href="http://blogherads.com/for-advertisers" rel="nofollow">money</a> at stake here, <em>Ladies</em>.</p>
<p><em>BlogHer Parenting Network readers spend money online.  <a href="http://blogher.org/node/5224" rel="nofollow">Perhaps most significantly:</a><br />
# 53% of BlogHer Parenting Network readers have their own blogs with which to publish and amplify their recommendations and referrals.</em></p>
<p>Can you say sharecroppers?</p>
<p>As for the hoodwinked, <em>Elayne</em>, I&#8217;m glad you enjoy women-only spaces.  Someone&#8217;s just made <a href="http://blogher.org/node/18698" rel="nofollow">fascinating post on beach bags</a> at BlogHer.  I think they&#8217;re on sale!</p>
<p>And if someone were to dig deeply into the K.Sierra situation they might find that it&#8217;s a whole lot more complicated than anyone thought.  They might find out that a bunch of very important (self described) people were pissed off about stuff being written about them and got K. all worked up into a huge fear state so she would act as their mouthpiece.  Maybe.  That&#8217;s one possible scenario.  But we&#8217;ll probably never know, will we? </p>
<p>I do know that every time I left an on-topic comment on <a href="http://www.misbehaving.net/" rel="nofollow">misbehaving.net</a> (oh, <em>Gosh!</em>, the misbehaving women site seems to be Gornish helfn&#8230;) it was deemed inappropriate by the forces that be and erased.  Open forum <em>my asslift</em>.  Women-only spaces, in my experience, means <em>certain kind of women. Only.</em>  Period. Meta-pause.  </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ain%27t_I_A_Woman" rel="nofollow"><em>Ain&#8217;t I a woman?</em></a></p>
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