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		<title>By: Frank Paynter</title>
		<link>http://listics.com/200704101011/comment-page-1#comment-24817</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Paynter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A short answer would probably be -- No Hannah, Kathy didn&#039;t think I was threatening her.  She was just careless in the way she lumped everyone together in her posting.

Let me unpack that a little for you:  

I have had a respectful and cordial relationship with Kathy for about a year, since my friend Alan and others mounted a satiric campaign against the &quot;Shiny Happy People.&quot;  Some of that criticism was quite pointed, and I said to her then that I was of the glass is half-empty set and thought she saw it as half-full.   Not much to base a friendship on, but we were courteous each with other, friendly.

On March 15 Kathy wrote to me, saying --
&lt;em&gt;I know y&#039;all are having a great time with the social commentary on meankids... but this is a new low:

&quot;The only thing Kathy has to offer me is that noose in her own neck size&quot;

I&#039;ve had three death threat comments now in the last two weeks (throat slitting, mostly), and it&#039;s not actually all that funny. &lt;/em&gt;

She was talking about a comment associated with a post on MeanKids, and conflating that with actual threats she had received on her own blog in comments there.  I wrote back --

&lt;em&gt;I share your concern.  Early on I addressed the issue of what should be taboo there, and discovered that the bloggers wanted an anything goes environment.  If you want that post deleted, I&#039;ll see that it is pulled, but I would rather not.  Like other obscenities, it will move off the screen soon enough.

Tell me if you can bear it, or if you would rather that I pulled it.&lt;/em&gt;

Kathy&#039;s reply began as follows --

&lt;em&gt;I don&#039;t mind being a target of  the mean kids, and it SHOULD be an anything goes environment, so I definitely don&#039;t want it deleted.

I just hope you&#039;re watching for consequences...&lt;/em&gt;

Kathy&#039;s &quot;meltdown&quot; involved me and several other people who were not part of that post/comment thread.  Reading her post, one could assume that I (and others) at MeanKids had threatened her.   Recently in a phone conversation I suggested that maybe an apology from her would be nice, and we tentatively discussed authoring some kind of joint post.  That hasn&#039;t gone anywhere yet, but I still think it would clear the air.  

I owned the MeanKids domain.  That put me in the middle of Kathy&#039;s concerns.  I apologized to her for being part of it.  She essentially accepted that apology, but it would take a close reading of a lot of posts and comments to unbundle the public side of my communication with her and to see that yes, she accepted my apology; and, no, she didn&#039;t consider me a threat regardless of how her initial blogpost was structured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A short answer would probably be &#8212; No Hannah, Kathy didn&#8217;t think I was threatening her.  She was just careless in the way she lumped everyone together in her posting.</p>
<p>Let me unpack that a little for you:  </p>
<p>I have had a respectful and cordial relationship with Kathy for about a year, since my friend Alan and others mounted a satiric campaign against the &#8220;Shiny Happy People.&#8221;  Some of that criticism was quite pointed, and I said to her then that I was of the glass is half-empty set and thought she saw it as half-full.   Not much to base a friendship on, but we were courteous each with other, friendly.</p>
<p>On March 15 Kathy wrote to me, saying &#8211;<br />
<em>I know y&#8217;all are having a great time with the social commentary on meankids&#8230; but this is a new low:</p>
<p>&#8220;The only thing Kathy has to offer me is that noose in her own neck size&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had three death threat comments now in the last two weeks (throat slitting, mostly), and it&#8217;s not actually all that funny. </em></p>
<p>She was talking about a comment associated with a post on MeanKids, and conflating that with actual threats she had received on her own blog in comments there.  I wrote back &#8211;</p>
<p><em>I share your concern.  Early on I addressed the issue of what should be taboo there, and discovered that the bloggers wanted an anything goes environment.  If you want that post deleted, I&#8217;ll see that it is pulled, but I would rather not.  Like other obscenities, it will move off the screen soon enough.</p>
<p>Tell me if you can bear it, or if you would rather that I pulled it.</em></p>
<p>Kathy&#8217;s reply began as follows &#8211;</p>
<p><em>I don&#8217;t mind being a target of  the mean kids, and it SHOULD be an anything goes environment, so I definitely don&#8217;t want it deleted.</p>
<p>I just hope you&#8217;re watching for consequences&#8230;</em></p>
<p>Kathy&#8217;s &#8220;meltdown&#8221; involved me and several other people who were not part of that post/comment thread.  Reading her post, one could assume that I (and others) at MeanKids had threatened her.   Recently in a phone conversation I suggested that maybe an apology from her would be nice, and we tentatively discussed authoring some kind of joint post.  That hasn&#8217;t gone anywhere yet, but I still think it would clear the air.  </p>
<p>I owned the MeanKids domain.  That put me in the middle of Kathy&#8217;s concerns.  I apologized to her for being part of it.  She essentially accepted that apology, but it would take a close reading of a lot of posts and comments to unbundle the public side of my communication with her and to see that yes, she accepted my apology; and, no, she didn&#8217;t consider me a threat regardless of how her initial blogpost was structured.</p>
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		<title>By: hannah</title>
		<link>http://listics.com/200704101011/comment-page-1#comment-24806</link>
		<dc:creator>hannah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, Tim appears to have fallen for the KS victim story...and is not looking too wise these days. But, and help me here, what&#039;s been bothering me is that it appears KS called you for comfort and solace re: her public meltdown, when didn&#039;t she believe you were in fact one of the people who might be threatening her life? WTF? And wanted/wants apologies from everyone --even the most tangentially involved, and including you? And you did apologize. I don&#039;t get it. Or maybe I do and it&#039;s kinda awful and I should shut up and get one of those violins. 
(I don&#039;t see a foundation happening as that would be a bit too altruistic on KS&#039;s part--all the expense of setting up a foundation. Well, I guess Tim could foot that bill.) And I&#039;m still waiting for KS to apologize...for something.  All of this framed in a truly sympathetic voice for what she did go through. But, damn, I had my own personal stalker who was in jail for some time, got released, and came up to me at the market and whispered in my ear, &quot;I know where you live&quot; then told me my address, etc. I do understand fear--the sweating, fight or flight, sounds in the night and a 5 year old (at the time)autistic child to protect. A few days later he blew up my car. Yeah...but by that time I had a gun and wasn&#039;t running. He eventually lost interest, I guess. No walled gardens, no powerful men to protect me. Not even a women&#039;s shelter at the time. Just me, my child and him. And my gun. Anyway--he would have been the last person I would contact for support. So, WTF?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, Tim appears to have fallen for the KS victim story&#8230;and is not looking too wise these days. But, and help me here, what&#8217;s been bothering me is that it appears KS called you for comfort and solace re: her public meltdown, when didn&#8217;t she believe you were in fact one of the people who might be threatening her life? WTF? And wanted/wants apologies from everyone &#8211;even the most tangentially involved, and including you? And you did apologize. I don&#8217;t get it. Or maybe I do and it&#8217;s kinda awful and I should shut up and get one of those violins.<br />
(I don&#8217;t see a foundation happening as that would be a bit too altruistic on KS&#8217;s part&#8211;all the expense of setting up a foundation. Well, I guess Tim could foot that bill.) And I&#8217;m still waiting for KS to apologize&#8230;for something.  All of this framed in a truly sympathetic voice for what she did go through. But, damn, I had my own personal stalker who was in jail for some time, got released, and came up to me at the market and whispered in my ear, &#8220;I know where you live&#8221; then told me my address, etc. I do understand fear&#8211;the sweating, fight or flight, sounds in the night and a 5 year old (at the time)autistic child to protect. A few days later he blew up my car. Yeah&#8230;but by that time I had a gun and wasn&#8217;t running. He eventually lost interest, I guess. No walled gardens, no powerful men to protect me. Not even a women&#8217;s shelter at the time. Just me, my child and him. And my gun. Anyway&#8211;he would have been the last person I would contact for support. So, WTF?</p>
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		<title>By: jeneane</title>
		<link>http://listics.com/200704101011/comment-page-1#comment-24738</link>
		<dc:creator>jeneane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 03:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a foundation for internet violins? i want one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a foundation for internet violins? i want one!</p>
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