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		<title>By: le blog Ã  Ollie &#187; Affaire NestlÃ©: Ã§a bouge. Un peu.</title>
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		<dc:creator>le blog Ã  Ollie &#187; Affaire NestlÃ©: Ã§a bouge. Un peu.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Samedi dernier pourtant, la hiÃ©rarchie de NestlÃ© a pointÃ© le bout de son nez par la bouche de George Vezza. Ce fut sous la forme d&#8217;un commentaire sur le blog de Frank Paynter, rÃ©pondant Ã  une critique de ce dernier. George se prÃ©sente comme un Senior Executive mais on ne sait pas quel est son titre exact; selon Frank, il serait en fait Vice President, Marketing and Communications, NestlÃ© Region Caribe. Peu importe finalement. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Samedi dernier pourtant, la hiÃ©rarchie de NestlÃ© a pointÃ© le bout de son nez par la bouche de George Vezza. Ce fut sous la forme d&#8217;un commentaire sur le blog de Frank Paynter, rÃ©pondant Ã  une critique de ce dernier. George se prÃ©sente comme un Senior Executive mais on ne sait pas quel est son titre exact; selon Frank, il serait en fait Vice President, Marketing and Communications, NestlÃ© Region Caribe. Peu importe finalement. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: I Dove Into Delete &#187; Blog Archive &#187; WWFD&#8230; Trigger a Chocolate War.</title>
		<link>http://listics.com/20060712372/comment-page-1#comment-2302</link>
		<dc:creator>I Dove Into Delete &#187; Blog Archive &#187; WWFD&#8230; Trigger a Chocolate War.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Frank reacted to a blog post from Robert Scoble. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Just Shelley &#187; The Chocolate Wars</title>
		<link>http://listics.com/20060712372/comment-page-1#comment-2056</link>
		<dc:creator>Just Shelley &#187; The Chocolate Wars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Robert Scoble wrote about addressing executives at NestlÃ¨ about weblogging. Frank Paynter responded with post listing out several concerns about NestlÃ¨&#8217;s corporate behavior. An executive from the company responded in Frank&#8217;s comments&#8211;not about the concerns Frank raised, but what a nice guy he is, and how he&#8217;s only responding in the interests of supporting his &#8216;new friend&#8217; Robert Scoble. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Robert Scoble wrote about addressing executives at NestlÃ¨ about weblogging. Frank Paynter responded with post listing out several concerns about NestlÃ¨&#8217;s corporate behavior. An executive from the company responded in Frank&#8217;s comments&#8211;not about the concerns Frank raised, but what a nice guy he is, and how he&#8217;s only responding in the interests of supporting his &#8216;new friend&#8217; Robert Scoble. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Listics - Frank Paynter&#8217;s Voice and Vision&#8230; &#187; Corporate Community and Ethical Blindness</title>
		<link>http://listics.com/20060712372/comment-page-1#comment-2003</link>
		<dc:creator>Listics - Frank Paynter&#8217;s Voice and Vision&#8230; &#187; Corporate Community and Ethical Blindness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Corporate Community and Ethical Blindness     By Frank Paynter NestlÃ© seems to be on the offensive regarding their reputation on the web. This discussion page from Wikipedia illustrates a balanced and reasonable approach by corporate PR to keeping their public image clean. Another facet of this campaign emerged this morning in a comment on my post regarding Scoble&#8217;s open-faced warmth and the hospitable welcome he gave NestlÃ© leaders on a recent occasion at Microsoft. George Vezza of NestlÃ© disagreed with my representation of his firm and shared his disagreement here:  Frank, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Corporate Community and Ethical Blindness     By Frank Paynter NestlÃ© seems to be on the offensive regarding their reputation on the web. This discussion page from Wikipedia illustrates a balanced and reasonable approach by corporate PR to keeping their public image clean. Another facet of this campaign emerged this morning in a comment on my post regarding Scoble&#8217;s open-faced warmth and the hospitable welcome he gave NestlÃ© leaders on a recent occasion at Microsoft. George Vezza of NestlÃ© disagreed with my representation of his firm and shared his disagreement here:  Frank, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 13:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank,

I am a senior executive at this so called cruel corporation you speak of. I attended the workshop and met Robert Scoble. It was his presentation that has urged me to reach out to the bloggers of the world. Let me say that working at a senior level for 22 years with Nestle gives me a pretty good first hand view of this so called &quot;evil corporation&quot;. Maybe it is you that is naive and not Robert. Do you think that the 270,000 employees are all droids that carry out the evil doings of the CEO. We are raising our children, taking care of our pets and contributing to society like every other human being. We are people just like you that have strong personal values and care about others. We are extremely sensitive to local laws and any employee that knowingly breaks those laws will be terminated. This is the message that comes down from the top. I have been privy to many meetings with the CEO and never  witnessed any sign of covert plans or actions that you may find in an &quot;evil corporation&quot;. Why would we do this, our Consumers make a purchase decision every second and they vote with there choice of our brands. Social responsibility is not just good practise but it is critical for good business.

When Countries are in crisis with Hurricanes, floods, etc. it is Nestle employees (not evil corporations) that are taking decisions to send food and aid. Then because of badpress and easy target we are then accused of trying to sway the poor for profits. There are many situations when we choose not to publically announce our donations because we know that some group will try to twist the gesture in to a corporate profit scheme.

But why try and change your mind, you seem to be fixated on the non profit NGO articles that exist(3rd party accounts). I am actually writing this blog to support my new friend Robert Scoble who shared 2 hours of his valuable time and is passionate about what he does.

George Vezza
Senior Leader 
Nestle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank,</p>
<p>I am a senior executive at this so called cruel corporation you speak of. I attended the workshop and met Robert Scoble. It was his presentation that has urged me to reach out to the bloggers of the world. Let me say that working at a senior level for 22 years with Nestle gives me a pretty good first hand view of this so called &#8220;evil corporation&#8221;. Maybe it is you that is naive and not Robert. Do you think that the 270,000 employees are all droids that carry out the evil doings of the CEO. We are raising our children, taking care of our pets and contributing to society like every other human being. We are people just like you that have strong personal values and care about others. We are extremely sensitive to local laws and any employee that knowingly breaks those laws will be terminated. This is the message that comes down from the top. I have been privy to many meetings with the CEO and never  witnessed any sign of covert plans or actions that you may find in an &#8220;evil corporation&#8221;. Why would we do this, our Consumers make a purchase decision every second and they vote with there choice of our brands. Social responsibility is not just good practise but it is critical for good business.</p>
<p>When Countries are in crisis with Hurricanes, floods, etc. it is Nestle employees (not evil corporations) that are taking decisions to send food and aid. Then because of badpress and easy target we are then accused of trying to sway the poor for profits. There are many situations when we choose not to publically announce our donations because we know that some group will try to twist the gesture in to a corporate profit scheme.</p>
<p>But why try and change your mind, you seem to be fixated on the non profit NGO articles that exist(3rd party accounts). I am actually writing this blog to support my new friend Robert Scoble who shared 2 hours of his valuable time and is passionate about what he does.</p>
<p>George Vezza<br />
Senior Leader<br />
Nestle</p>
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		<title>By: I Dove Into Delete &#187; Blog Archive &#187; WWFD? Blog the &#8220;Human Web&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://listics.com/20060712372/comment-page-1#comment-1857</link>
		<dc:creator>I Dove Into Delete &#187; Blog Archive &#187; WWFD? Blog the &#8220;Human Web&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;A Passionate Observer of The Human Web&#8221; (my title for Frank&#8217;s blogging core value) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jon Husband</title>
		<link>http://listics.com/20060712372/comment-page-1#comment-1851</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Husband</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I still canâ€™t figure out what all the fuss is about. I donâ€™t know why onegoodmove linked to this. This Nestle crap is so 90s. Neither your post nor your response explained at all why, out of the million other problems we face, Nestle in particular is one worth worrying about.&lt;/i&gt;

Instantiation of an example, where the example meets opportunity ?  

No doubnt it&#039;s not THE worst corporation on the planet, but it ain&#039;t pretty.  Robert&#039;s talking to them about where things may be going, &quot;human webs&quot; etc. and those Nestle execs aren&#039;t likely high on the &quot;how humanistic is our buisness strategy&quot; index.  His phrase &#039;nice folks&quot; probably means their teetha re more or less white, hair combed, deodorant, appropriate dress, pleasant manners, one or two more-or-less on-point questions, etc.  Robert probably wasn&#039;t busy thinking about the corpocratic hijacking of planet Earth.

My $0.02 ?  Frank chose an useful example to elaborate on his perspective and values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I still canâ€™t figure out what all the fuss is about. I donâ€™t know why onegoodmove linked to this. This Nestle crap is so 90s. Neither your post nor your response explained at all why, out of the million other problems we face, Nestle in particular is one worth worrying about.</i></p>
<p>Instantiation of an example, where the example meets opportunity ?  </p>
<p>No doubnt it&#8217;s not THE worst corporation on the planet, but it ain&#8217;t pretty.  Robert&#8217;s talking to them about where things may be going, &#8220;human webs&#8221; etc. and those Nestle execs aren&#8217;t likely high on the &#8220;how humanistic is our buisness strategy&#8221; index.  His phrase &#8216;nice folks&#8221; probably means their teetha re more or less white, hair combed, deodorant, appropriate dress, pleasant manners, one or two more-or-less on-point questions, etc.  Robert probably wasn&#8217;t busy thinking about the corpocratic hijacking of planet Earth.</p>
<p>My $0.02 ?  Frank chose an useful example to elaborate on his perspective and values.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Paynter</title>
		<link>http://listics.com/20060712372/comment-page-1#comment-1827</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Paynter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like to call it &quot;The Human Web.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to call it &#8220;The Human Web.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: McD</title>
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		<dc:creator>McD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Scoble&#039;s culpability

Dispassionately, I think it&#039;s fair to say that not being part of the solution means you&#039;re a part of the problem... but I it&#039;s also fair to consider that most of us walk silently and ignorantly past problems every day.

Activism and fighting for human rights take a dedication and vision that few possess.

Scoble&#039;s heart seems to be in the right place based upon some of his stances. He&#039;s a player in the corporate PR world and sees a lot of benefits for people having good jobs with solid benefits and that&#039;s a pretty widely held view of the world in the US. Capitalism fits well with the Horatio Algier world view of infinite opportunities based upon hard work.

I just wish we could see some political leadership emerge that makes the case for more balance in public policy regarding public welfare vs the advantages of applying free enterprise dynamics in every sphere of endeavor.

De-regulating health care leads to a society that will eventually make hard decision about the relative value of humans based solely upon the ability to pay. This leads to applying market forces to humans as a commodity and is at the heart of the issues Frank is attempting to spotlight with Nestle.

Dispassionately, I think it&#039;s fair to say that not being part of the solution means you&#039;re a part of the problem... upon learning about the problem it&#039;s wrong to shoot the messenger because &quot;problems&quot; are simply every where. It&#039;s totally anti-conservative to ignore the issue of accountability for business decisions that cause suffering simply because nature and war and ignorance do as well. When nature, war and ignorance have that next &quot;stockholders meeting&quot; it would be easy to get people there to protest their actions too.

Nice color choice for your blog crayon kit Frank... It&#039;s in the color that is different for each reader: &quot;flesh&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Scoble&#8217;s culpability</p>
<p>Dispassionately, I think it&#8217;s fair to say that not being part of the solution means you&#8217;re a part of the problem&#8230; but I it&#8217;s also fair to consider that most of us walk silently and ignorantly past problems every day.</p>
<p>Activism and fighting for human rights take a dedication and vision that few possess.</p>
<p>Scoble&#8217;s heart seems to be in the right place based upon some of his stances. He&#8217;s a player in the corporate PR world and sees a lot of benefits for people having good jobs with solid benefits and that&#8217;s a pretty widely held view of the world in the US. Capitalism fits well with the Horatio Algier world view of infinite opportunities based upon hard work.</p>
<p>I just wish we could see some political leadership emerge that makes the case for more balance in public policy regarding public welfare vs the advantages of applying free enterprise dynamics in every sphere of endeavor.</p>
<p>De-regulating health care leads to a society that will eventually make hard decision about the relative value of humans based solely upon the ability to pay. This leads to applying market forces to humans as a commodity and is at the heart of the issues Frank is attempting to spotlight with Nestle.</p>
<p>Dispassionately, I think it&#8217;s fair to say that not being part of the solution means you&#8217;re a part of the problem&#8230; upon learning about the problem it&#8217;s wrong to shoot the messenger because &#8220;problems&#8221; are simply every where. It&#8217;s totally anti-conservative to ignore the issue of accountability for business decisions that cause suffering simply because nature and war and ignorance do as well. When nature, war and ignorance have that next &#8220;stockholders meeting&#8221; it would be easy to get people there to protest their actions too.</p>
<p>Nice color choice for your blog crayon kit Frank&#8230; It&#8217;s in the color that is different for each reader: &#8220;flesh&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Landsman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean Landsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 07:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing: it comes as absolutely no surprize that MicroSoft would be doing business with Nestle.  Maybe Bill &amp; Melinda will spend some of Warren&#039;s billions righting wrongs furthered by Nestle&#039;s actions and corporate practices.

As for Scoble.... my guess is that he knows little or nothing of Nestle&#039;s nefarious activities, and was, to quote a famous phrase, &quot;just doing his job.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing: it comes as absolutely no surprize that MicroSoft would be doing business with Nestle.  Maybe Bill &amp; Melinda will spend some of Warren&#8217;s billions righting wrongs furthered by Nestle&#8217;s actions and corporate practices.</p>
<p>As for Scoble&#8230;. my guess is that he knows little or nothing of Nestle&#8217;s nefarious activities, and was, to quote a famous phrase, &#8220;just doing his job.&#8221;</p>
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